Anna Maria Catharina JACOBSTROER

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A. Research Problem for Anna Maria Catharina JacobStroer 1. The research problem: Marriage record list wife as Anna Maria Catharina Jacobstroer. Unsure how she obtained the farm name of Jacobstoer as she was only 15 years old when marrying Casparus. Really not old enough to be on a second marriage. Will need to obtain farm history of Jacobstoer from a genealogist or something. Baptism of Anna Maria Cath may not be right????? Might be following the wrong person. Was going by DOB from death record. 2. Corresponded with someone on Ancestry.com and she gave me the website of Markus Klenner and found additional research in the Esphorst line. Great site!! 3. Research Feb 2012: Posted my Esphorst family research on Ancestry.com 4. Response to Esphorst research placed on line:August 16, 2012 Correspondence from Markus Klenner Comments: Dear Sirs, I've taken notice that you've named me with a link to my ancestor's research homepage in the record of Johan Gerhard Esphorst geb. Austerwiemann (1736 - 1823). If you like to have more information about the ancestors of his son Johan Antonius Esphorst (1807 - 1835) I can send you a family tree of him. Please send me your e-mail-adress in request. Blessings from Germany Markus Klenner 5. Aug 17, 2012 Correspondence from Markus Dear Karen, I’m very pleased to get your e-mail today. It’s very interesting for me to see that there are more and more relatives of me and my family in the USA. My closest relative is John Nielson of Hayward California, a cousin of 2nd degree of my father. He is the grandson of a great-granduncle of mine, John (Johann) Bludau who came to the USA in 1912. In the early 1920th a sister of him, my great-grandaunt Elisabeth Tyborski born Bludau followed the family of his brother to the USA although he had died meanwhile (in 1918). She was the youngest sister of my great-grandmother Katharina Gönnewicht born Bludau and died about 1980. So she was the only one of my closer relatives in the USA that I knew when I was a child (I’m born in 1970) because she wrote regularly postcards to Easter and Christmas to my grandmother Anna Klenner born Gönnewicht. About 2 ½ years ago I got in touch with John Nielson and now we meet together from time to time for a chat on SKYPE. And this is always very funny as we have a distance of 9 hours. That means when he calls me on SKYPE on 8 p.m. in our local time in Germany it’s 11 a.m. in California. After nearly 25 years of doing family research with now about 900 - 1.000 different ancestors it’s really difficult to find new ancestors. So I’ve got more interest to look for descendants of the sisters and brothers of my ancestors. Beside our relatives of the Bludau family that I mentioned above I knew that there are relatives of the Eusterwiemann (Austerwiemann) family in the USA since the early 1990th. In Autumn 1880 Johan Heinrich Eusterwiemann moved to Howells Nebraska where he married a German born woman called Christina Praest. He was the son of Stephan Eusterwiemann from the peasantry Bokel/Rietberg. Stephan Eusterwiemann was a cousin of my great-great-grandfather Johann Heinrich Klenner, son of Johan Stephan Klenner (godfather of Stephan Eusterwiemann) and Maria Anna Eusterwiemann. A few month ago I found out that Elisabeth Klenner a daughter of Adam Philipp Klenner another cousin of Johann Heinrich Klenner, emigrated with her husband Johann Heinrich (Meyer) Eggerling to Nebraska too. They came to the USA in 1882 but didn’t stay in Nebraska but moved to Hand County in South Dakota where their descendants are still living. So you see there are more relatives of the Esphorst/Austerwiemann (Eusterwiemann) family in the USA. And that’s how we are related to each other. Our common ancestor is Henrich Breische (sometimes written Breissman) genannt (called) Austerwieman (another form of the name Eusterwiemann). On January 28th 1721 he married Anna Christina Austerwieman the heir of the Austerwieman farm in the peasantry of Bokel county of Rietberg (earl of Rietberg) and became the Austerwieman farmer. This was mentioned in his surname by attaching the name of the farm to his maiden name (Breische called Austerwieman). All childs of this couple just got the surname Austerwieman. So in the next generation the real father’s surname was lost. This was a quite unique tradition in Westphalia and this circumstance makes it sometimes very difficult to find the right ancestors if you are doing family research in our area. Because in the church records of the 17th and 18th century the parson often only noticed the farm name of the father in the birth records and didn’t mentioned his maiden name. And this was more difficult if there where childs of a second marriage when the hier of the farm has died. Those childs got the farm name as their surname too although neither their father nor their mother where born with this name. And this is the story with Johan Gerhard Austerwiemann called Meyer Esphorst and his descendants. My ancestor Anna Christina Austerwieman died quite early at the age of 43 in 1734. In August of the same year her widow Henrich Breische called Austerwieman married again Anna Margaretha (Meyer) Winter from the peasantry of Rentrup/St. Vit now Wiedenbrück. Johan Gerhard Austerwieman was a son of this couple and got the surname Austerwieman although his parents wasn’t born with this surname. His father was only the widow of the heir of the Austerwiemann farm. With his marriage and children we got the same problem. In 1769 he married Anna Margaretha Schwale from the peasantry Bokel (neighborhood of Austerwiemann!) the widow of the heir of the Esphorst farm and of course took over the farm’s name as his new surname. In 1794 he married (2nd time) Maria Elisabeth (Meyer) Südhaus from the peasantry Batenhorst/Wiedenbrück and of course their children got the surname Meyer Esphorst. So we have a “wrong” surname in two generations. Johan Anton(ius) Meyer Esphorst whom parents whose parents weren’t born Esphorst and his father Johan Gerhard Austerwieman called Meyer Esphorst whose parents weren’t born Austerwieman. Funny and difficult at once. Now something to your questions. I’ve only been in the Detmold achives for one time in the early 1990th so I can’t tell you much how to get this documentation you are looking for. The Breische family comes from the peasantry of Pixel that belongs to the village of Herzebrock. The farm is still existing. See the photo attached. You’ll find an ancestors report of Johan Antonius (Meyer) Esphorst attached too. I hope this information will help you. You don’t have to go Salt Lake City to look up for the church records of St. Vit Wiedenbrück. I’ve got copies of all church records from 1651 - 1842 from this church at home. Sadly the files of the church records are too big to attach them by e-mail. But don’t hesitate to ask me for certain datas you are looking for in this period. I’ll try to help you. Do you know the book about the history of the peasantries of Mastholte and Moese released in 1997 by Bert Bertling? I’ve got one copy at home as I’ve got some ancestors from their and I know Mr. Bertling personally who sold me this copy. Mr. Bertling wrote a lot about the emigrants wave to the USA starting in 1846 and lasting till the end of the 19th century (nearly 30 pages of the book). Within the county of Rietberg the peasantries of Mastholte and Moese where very poor. So the people didn’t see a good future for themselves. In 1828 the first family from Mastholte moved to America. The next group of families followed 1836. In 1838 33 people from this area emigrated to the USA. It’s interesting to see that all these people went to Missouri! But it was the day laborer Johann Henrich Löhner (one of the emigrants from 1838) who was responsible for the biggest emigration wave. He came back to Mastholte in 1846 and told the people at home how successful he was in the USA. When he went back to the USA the same year 192 people from Mastholte/Moese followed him! Within 25 years since 1836 about 500 people left their home to the USA. That was about 25 % of all inhabitants of Mastholte/Moese! As mentioned in the book all those people moved to Westphalia/Missouri near of St. Louis where you are from. They named their town after the name of their home area. Westphalia is now part of the state of North Rhine-Westphalia in the West of Germany. The area of Mastholte, Rietberg, Wiedenbrück belongs to East-Westphalia. Please find attached two scans of the book. The second one is of page 250 and shows under “Auswanderer 1853”: Esphorst, Caspar, Ackersmann (farmhand), * (= born) 1826, Moese I’m not sure whether Caspar Esphorst really gave up his rights to the farm as in East-Westphalia we got a special law regarding the heritage of a farm. While in all other areas of Westphalia and nearly in whole Germany the oldest son inherit the farm from this parents in East-Westphalia the youngest son was the heir of a farm. That means that Caspar wasn’t the heir of the farm but his younger brother Heinrich Herman(us) Esphorst. And because of this reason and the bad outlook for his personal future he decided obviously to move to the USA as so much more people from his peasantry before. I know this kind of story from distant relatives in the USA of the Meiergerd family original from the peasantry of Batenhorst/Wiedenbrück. There were two older brothers of the son who was the heir of the Meiergerd farm. They emigrated in 1881 to the USA as they didn’t see the chance to took over a farm in their home peasantry. Interestingly they moved to Nebrasca just a year before my relatives of the Klenner/Eggerling family moved their too! Obviously the emigrants of the area of Wiedenbrück/Rietberg/Mastholte moved to Missouri or to Nebrasca. The sad end of the story of the Meiergerd brothers is that their brother in Batenhorst died quite short after they left Germany. So a sister inherited the farm of their parents as their brothers were living in the USA. And because of this reason you’ll find lots of people with the surname Meiergerd still in the USA but no one with this surname in Germany. This name has died out in the 20th century. So that’s a lot for the beginning. I hope I didn’t bore you too much and that we stay in contact. My SKYPE-name is markus.klenner.werne. Perhaps we can manage to meet us on SKYPE. That would be a great pleasure. Best greetings to all relatives in Missouri, Nebraska or anywhere else in the USA from your distant cousin (I’ve got to sort out of which degree!) from Germany Markus Klenner Capeller Str. 38 59368 Werne Phone: 0049-2389-535873 6. Aug 28, 2012 Correspondence from Markus Hello Karen, I've taken a view on your family tree regarding the Jacobstroer family. Please find attached some information about the farm taken from the book about the history of Mastholte and Moese. Did you have a photo of the farm before? The Jacob-Ströer/Jacobstroer farm was a full heir farm in the peasantry of Mastholte. In the tax list from 1498 the farm is called "Oester Stroethinke". Later on in the tax list of 1554 it's called "Jacob Stroor". The attached information are saying that in 1789 the farmer Caspar Kaupmann had married Maria Catharina Jacob-Ströer. That's in accordance to your data of the marriage of the couple on September 29th 1789. I agree with your notes to the birthday of Anna Maria Catharina Jacob-Ströer. It's really uncertain whether she was only 15 years old when she married. If there would be a first child of the couple Kaumann gen. Jacob-Ströer/Jacob-Ströer around the time when they married it would be the answer for us. Because in this situation they would have to marry. But if this is not the reason I can't see why a not grown-up daughter should marry so young. If I can recall it correctly people in the county of Rietberg got of full age in the 18th century by the age of 24 not by the age of 18 like today in whole Germany! So it was very difficult to marry as a "teenager". Does the parish register of the death of Anna Maria Catharina Jacob-Ströer in 1836 confirm the birthday of her in 1774? Is it confirmed that Johan Herman Rottönies was called Jacob-Ströer? If he really was the owner of the Jacob-Ströer farm. How did he get the farm. Did he marry the heiress of the Jacob-Ströer farm first and then in a second marriage Anna Maria Kusterstephan? I've seen that Johan (Joannes) Herman (Hermanus) Rottönies gen. Jacob-Ströer died very early in 1780 survived by his wife for 32 years. As the children of the couple where very young by that time it's very possible that his widow has married again short after his dead (perhaps a year later). That was very usual in this period. You have a son of the couple Rottönies gen. Jacob-Ströer/Kusterstephan called Joannes Henricus born November 20th 1781. But if he has died on June 9th 1780 this person can't be a son of Johan Herman Rottönies gen. Jacob-Ströer. He must be a son of a second marriage of Anna Maria Kusterstephan. A solution for the problem could be another death in the family about 1789 that made it necessary to inherit the farm to the daughter Anna Maria Catharina so that she was "forced" to marry so early. I got such a problem in the Klenner family in the 18th century. Here's "my" story that might be a key for the solution for your problem. In 1718 my ancestor Johan Diederich (Dirk) Klenner married his first wife Anna Maria Hülsman. They had a son called Cord (Conrad) Henrich Klenner born in 1733. In November 1735 Anna Maria Hülsman died. So my ancestor married for the second time Anna Maria Volmer Ebblinghaus in July 1736. As the documents of the county of Rietberg were saying she only had to pay rent for the farm for 21 years as the heir was 3 years old. So if you count 21 and 3 years together you come to result that you must be 24 years old to be of full age! But now on in this story. Johan Dirk Klenner died in March 1744, just when his second wife was pregnant. Her daughter Anna Maria Klenner which is my ancestor was born in September 1744. Anna Maria Volmer Ebblinghaus married again in February 1745 Johan Henrich Igelhorst (later named Klenner). He was renting the Klenner farm only for 13 years as the documents of the county of Rietberg were saying that the heir was 11 years old by that time. Again we come to the result of 24 years to be of full age! It's another story that Cord Henrich Klenner rejected the heir in later years so that my ancestor Anna Maria Klenner became heiress of the Klenner farm. But the interesting thing happened in 1767 when her step father Johan Henrich Igelhorst named Klenner died. Although she was "only" 23 years what meant not of full age she married the same year for the first time with the allowance of her half-brother Conrad Henrich (now named Röwekamp) and the descendants from the Volmer Ebblinghaus family. The docouments of the County of Rietberg were saying: "As the owner of the Klenner farm has just died and his wife has become totally crazy meanwhile it's necessary that the farm will be taken in possession again. So Anna Maria a daughter from second marriage will marry Hans Steffen Sprick from Westerholt with the allowance of the Röwekemper and Volmer Ebblinghaus on this farm." Really a crazy story, isn't it? But this could be possibility why your ancestor Anna Maria Catharina Jacob-Ströer married so young. Perhaps her step father had died in 1789 and there was no other heir for the farm. So it was really necessary that the only surviving child has to marry so early. Perhaps my ideas can help you a little bit. Ancestry research is very often difficult and tricky. And it's more like collecting data. But these stories behind the persons that are your ancestors are making the whole research alive. You're learning more about the people and the way they were living in former centuries. Blessings from Germany Your cousin Markus 7. Sep 3, 2012 Correspondence to Markus Hi Markus, Today was a holiday for our country but I had to work. I work in an Emergency Department of a community hospital about 20 miles from my home. It was pretty busy today. We see all ages of people and any illness or accident that happens. Today a man fell down a flight of steps and broke his neck. That was one of the many interesting things today. I like this type of nursing because I never have the chance of getting bored with my job. On the Kaupman/Jacobstoer line, I am wondering if this marriage in 1789 maybe a 1st wife of Casparus, Anna Maria Catharina Jacobstroer and then married a second time to Maria Catharina Rottonies??????? Although, the death record of Casparus list wife as A. Cath. Maybe Caspar took the name Jacobstroer and that is how Maria Catharina became Jacobstroer.The first child I have record of was born in 1793, four years after the 1789 marriage. I will have to recheck this. I will send you the documents I have. I never did understand where the name Jacobstroer came from. I will talk to you soon, it is getting late and I have to get up early tomorrow. Cousin,Karen 8. Sep 4, 2012 Correspondence from Markus Hi Karen, you won’t imagine what a big pleasure you did for me by sending me the original record of the marriage from 1789. Because the entry from May 12th 1789 relate to my great-great-great-great-grandparents Herman Gerd Hesse and Maria Catharina Bresser. This is the original record of their marriage! My ancestors belonged to the poorest farmers class that didn’t had a farm of their own. People of this class were living in a small house with little land that belonged to a bigger farm. They had a small garden and perhaps a cow or a pig and some chicken. But those people were mainly workers on the farm where this small houses belonged to. You can say they were not much more than day-laborers. The expression for these people was “Heuerling”. It comes from the word “heuern”, in Englisch “hire” because this people hired the small houses where they were living from the farmers. In the church records these people were often not named with their real surname but just with the name of the farm where they were living. Because of the poor living standard of those families they often changed the farm where they were working or tried to find better work in the next bigger villages or towns if possible. Sometimes they got the chance to build a new small farm of their own. My great-great-great-grandfather Anton Hesse, son of Herman Gerd Hesse and Maria Catharina Bresser moved from Mastholte to Rheda (about 15 miles north) in the 1820th and settled their with a new small farm. But now to your problem with the Kaumpan/Jacobströer line. First of all the meaning of the name. It’s a typical Eastwestphalian name existing of two parts: a man’s first name (here: Jacob) and a location (here: stroer). Stroer is a dialect word for the German word “Gebüsch”, in English “bushes”. That means the farm was named after a former farmer with the first name Jacob living near bushes. Another definition for “Stroer” in German is “Stroh”, in English “straw”. But in my opinion “Stroer” in the meaning of “bushes” makes more sense. Nevertheless Jacobströer was a farm of full heir. That compares to the death record of Caspar Kaupman gen. Jacobströer as his profession was stated with “Vollmeier” (= full heir). Very important information in his death record. He left 5 grown-up children! I’ve read the death record of Maria Catharina Jacobströer and I’m quite sure that this is the wrong person. And the answer to my mind is very easy. I’ll translate the death record from January 1836 for you: No. 4: (1836) Mar. Cath. Jacobstroer geb. Rottönies, Heuerfrau (= wife of a „Heuerling” à lowest class!!!), 61 years 4 month (old), widow, has left 2 majorenne (= grown-up) children and 1 minorennes (= not jet grown-up) children, died January 31st, 1 p.m., cause of death: Krebsschaden (= cancer), buried February 3rd, there (means: there at Mastholte, see first line) This must be a different person and how funny we find the death of her husband just above at No. 43 of 1835 on the same page No. 43: (1835) Ernestus (= Ernst) Jacobstroer, Heuerling (!), 64 years (old), was married to Marg. (= Margaretha) Rottönies, has left 3 majorenne (= grown-up) children, died December 22nd, cause of death: sensility (at 64!), buried December 26th, there (see above) I think that fits together. The misspelling of the first name of the wife in his death record (Margret instead of Maria) wasn’t unusual at that time. We often have the problem that the names of people were written in the church records with different first names, especially when the names sounded quite similar or the people had two or more first names. This was the same with the question how many children a person had left when he had died and whether they were all grown-up or not. Look in this case. The first entry says there were 3 grown-up children. The second entry tells us about 2 grown-up and 1 not grown-up. Who knew it exactly nearly 175 years ago. But the rest of both entries is right especially that Ernst Jacobstroer was a “Heuerling” and his widow was titled as the wife of a “Heuerling”. If she really was the widow of Caspar Kaupman gen. Jacobströer she must have been titled as widow of a “Vollmeier”. And when you look to the birth record it’s wrong or in another way it’s not the birth record of Anna Maria Catharina Rottönies. I’ll translate it for you: Eodem (= same day as before = November 27th 1774), baptista (= baptized) Anna Maria Catharina filia conjuges (daughter of married couple, means legal not illegitimate), parentes (parents): Joannes Hermannus et (and) Anna Maria Kaupmans (à not Rottönies or Jacobströer!!!), patrini (godfathers): Anna Catharina … So that means we have to look for the real date of the death of Anna Catharina Jacobströer and then for her real birthday. I hope I could help you a little bit. Blessings Your cousin Markus 8.Conclusion after several emails with Markus Klenner=Need to begin a new search for Anna Maria Catharina Jacobstroer, her death date and baptism. B. Research Trip to SLC Utah 9/2012 1. Goal: To find parents of Anna Maria Catharina JacobStroer 2. Known facts: Have marriage record from Mastholte, Germany Know births of her children Have book about farms in Mastholte and one of them is Jacobstroer. 3. Plan: Check resources for farm history Recheck for correct death record in Mastholte records. 4. Research Results: Mastholte Church Records: The only Maria Cath that I can find with Jacobstroer in the record is from a baptimal record of 18 Jul 1766. Gives her name as Cath Maria Stroitman with parents listed as Jois and Anna Stroitman living on the farm of Jacobstoer. I found a marriage record for her parents 1764. i can not find any other children by these parents through 1782. Mastholte church records: There is a marriage in1762 for a Josephus JacobStroer and Anna Catharina Wietfeld. The first child I can find is Herman JacobStroer in 1768. I can't find any baptisms between1762-1766. And then others after 1770 with mothers name Anna Maria. I believe this to be Anna Maria Catharina JacobStroers parents but I do not have any proof yet. C. Professional Research Help 1. Correspondence 10/10/12, Contacted Wilhelm Krueggeler to help research the JacobStroer farm in Mastholte 10/28/12 Received the history of the JacobStroer farm which proved that Joseph and Anna Catharina are the parents of Anna Maria Cath JacobStroer. Unknown baptismal date. The priest may have forgot to enter?? 11/1/12 Sent the farm history to Markus Klenner to translate the information. The following lineage from the farm history: Maria Catherina JacobStroer-Joesph JacobStroer-Herman JacobStroer-Herman JacobStroer-ElizabethJacobStroer. The farm has the following names over the years=JacobStroer=HermanStroer=OstStroer

I can not find the baptismal record for Anna Maria Catharina JacobStroer in Mastholte or Wadersloh church records. But , I have proved her lineage through the farm history of Mastholte No 27, which is the JacobStroer farm. 8Mar 2023...Rechecked Wadersloh Church Bapt Records1760-1770. NIL. Mother died 25 Oct 1770 8 Mar 2023...have the baptism of Anna Maria Catharina's brother that list parents!!! Her brother Herman is mentioned in the farm history. I can not find the baptismal record for Anna Maria Catharina JacobStroer in Mastholte or Wadersloh church records. But , I have proved her lineage through the farm history of Mastholte No 27, which is the JacobStroer farm.

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Titel	Caspar Esphorst
Beschreibung	Immigrant Ancestor from Moese, Rietberg, Prussia to St. Louis, Missouri
Hochgeladen	2024-02-29 01:13:47.0
Einsender	Karen Osborne
E-Mail	kosborne55@yahoo.com
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