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I / oo 1640 N.N. "Die aeltesten Pirmasenser Familien" : Theodor Knerr "kam im Jahre 1661 nach Winzeln, wo er als Neusiedler eine zweijaehrige Abgabenfreiheit erhielt. Zusammen mit ihm waren in die neue Heimat seine Mutter Christiane, seine Frau Agnes und sechs Kinder gekommen …." stirbt: 73 Jahre, am Tag der Hochzeit seiner Söhne schon 1657 in Winzeln? Quellen: - person: Sippenbuch Pirmasens, Larry Knarr - Tod: Sippenbuch Pirmasens Larry Knarr vermutet, dass Theodor Knerr um 1648 aus der Schweiz nach Deutschland gekommen sei. Er orientiert sich dabei am Ende des 30-jährigen Krieges, das Datum ist jedoch vermutlich zu früh angesetzt, da die Wiederbesiedlung der Pfalz erst später beginnt. Einwanderer dürften die Söhne gewesen sein, die wegen des Erstgeburtsrechts kein Land erbten und nun die Möglichkeiten auf gutes Land bekamen. Damit hätte Theodor mindestens einen älteren Bruder. Angeblich verbrachte er eine kurze Zeit in Kandel, bevor er sich zur Übersiedlung nach Winzeln entschloss (1657). Möglicherweise hatte er zwei Ehefrauen, der Name der ersten ist völlig unbekannt, von der zweiten kennen wir nur den Vornamen Agnes. Vermutlich ist er mit den Familien in Kandel verwandt, aber das ist unbewiesen. Auch ist unklar, ob die Liste seiner Kinder vollständig ist. Ferner bleibt offen, ob Johann Leohard Knerr, der 1643 in Pirmasens heiratet, Theodors Bruder ist. In den Archiven von Solothurn hat John R. Knarr folgende Eintragungen gefunden: "Durs Knörr, getauft am 5. Februar 1615 als Sohn von Hans Knörr und Christina Stuber" (Quelle: Oberwil Taufen, II, 1613-1661). Durs ist eine Kurzform von Theodorus, daher vermutet er, dass dieser identisch sein könnte mit Theodor Knerr, vor allem, da der Name Theodor in keinem der überprüften Einträge des 16. und 17. Jahrhunderts zu finden war. Andererseits sei der Name Durs/Urs ein sehr verbreiteter Name, ebenso wie die Namen Hans und Benedict besonders in den Familien Knerr sehr häufig vorkämen. Neben Durs, *1615, hatten Hans Knörr und Christina Stuber weitere Kinder: Anna, get. 23.2.1612; Benedict, get. 20.2.1620. Bekannt ist, dass schon früher in Annweiler Namensträger vorkommen: Dort heiratet 1597 Anna Knörr Lorentz Hausen. Bei Landau heiratet 1603 Elias Knörr Margaretha Weimtz und in Seinsheim heiratet 1612 Leonhard Knöhr Sabina Bögner. Es ist ubekannt, ob diese Personen verwandt sind oder nicht. Nach allgemeiner Auffassung ist Theodor=Torreß Knerr der Stammvater aller aus der Gegend von Zweibrücken stammenden Knerrs. Bastian (Notiz Gerhard Knerr 3/89) gibt an, bei seiner Ankunft in der Pfalz habe dieser 7 Kinder gehabt. Dies bezweifle ich. Richtig ist, daß im SB-PS 7 Kinder mit Geburtsdaten genannt sind. Vermutlich hatte Theodor Knerr mindestens 10 Kinder. Degré vermutet Vertreibung als Ursache der Auswanderung entweder als - Wiedertäufer (1/93) oder wegen - Teilnahme an Bauernkrieg 1653 Für ersteres spricht die Familientradition, nach der die Knerrs wegen ihres Glaubens vertrieben wurden. Dagegen spricht jedoch, daß sich kein direkter Hinweis darauf findet, daß er Täufer geblieben ist, was verwundert, wenn er wegen seiner Religion vertrieben worden ist. Statt dessen findet sich als Religionsangabe stets die Angabe "reformiert", auch bei keinem der Kinder findet sich ein Hinweis auf Wiedertäufer. Die traditionelle Auffassung der Literatur sieht die hohe Bevölkerungsdichte in der Schweiz und die geringe Bevölkerungsdichte der Pfalz nach dem Dreißigjährigen Krieg als Einwanderungsursache. Emanuel zitiert aus dem "Dorfsippenbuch Pirmasens": (5/88) "Thorreß Knerr, gebürtig aus Weneckhofen in der Schweiz, wurde als neuer Unterthan mit zweijähriger Freiheit im Amt aufgenommen." (1662) Geburt: SB-PS S.432 Religion: RF Tod: SB-PS S.432 Hinweis zur Familie Mit Partner(in) Agnes nn: Eheschliessung: Folgerung: Der vermutliche Sohn Nikolaus ist ca. 1650 geboren Möglicherweise war Theodor Knerr bereits vorher verheiratet. Nach www.ancestry.com (g47.ged) hatte er 5 Kinder aus dieser Ehe. Nikolaus Knerr habe ich, diesem Eintrag folgend, dieser Ehe zugeordnet. Die Zuordnung ist unsicher.(W.Knerr) http://gw.geneanet.org/wkerbacher?lang=de;p=theodor+dorresz+durs+urs;n=knerr "Die aeltesten Pirmasenser Familien" : Theodor Knerr "kam im Jahre 1661 nach Winzeln, wo er als Neusiedler eine zweijaehrige Abgabenfreiheit erhielt. Zusammen mit ihm waren in die neue Heimat seine Mutter Christiane, seine Frau Agnes und sechs Kinder gekommen …." Theodor Knoerr apparently left Switzerland and came to Germany c. 1648. That date marked the conclusion of theThirty Years War in which it has been estimated that two-thirds of the malepopula- tion of Germany died. Good land was suddenly available for the youngersons of landed families who would never have the opportunity to get it becauseof the medieval custom of primogeniture which was in force at that time. Theodor spent a short time in Kandel before deciding to settlepermanently in the village of Winzeln (1657), located near the city of Pirmasens in the Palatinate region. He appears to have had two wives, each of whom bore him children. The second wife was named Agnes, but we do not knowher maiden name. The name of the first wife escapes us entirely. The date of Theodor's death as well as much of the information wehave about him and his descendants comes from the Pirmasens Sippenbuch which has been painstakingly compiled by Herr Walter Wittmer. The death date itself seems strange because three of his sons are listed as beingmarried on that very same day. In religion, Theodor was listed as Reformiet. We do not know what his occupation happened to be. We believe that he was related to the other Knoerr family which lived at Kandel, but we have no proof of thisrelationship. Furthermore, we are not positive that we have a complete list of Theodor's children. We have a feeling that he had more daughters than we have found listed. We also would like to know if the Johann Leonhard Knoerr who was married at Pirmasens in 1643 is Theodor's brother. John R. Knarr, while at the Solothurn Archives, found thefollowing: Durs Knoerr baptised Feb 5, 1615; parents Hans Knoerr and Christina Stuber.Source: Oberwil Taufen, II, 1613-1661. Durs is a shortened form of Theodorus asHans is a shortened version of Johannes. John says, "This might be yourancestor Theodor. One does not actually find the name of Theodor in anyof the Swiss records I examined for the 1500s and 1600s. On the otherhand, Durs/Urs is a very popular name, along with Hans and Benedict,especially for KNOERR families. Besides Durs bornin 1615, Hans Knoerrand Christina Stuber had other children: Anna bap Feb 23, 1612; Benedictbap Feb. 20, 1620." In a letter from Herr Adolf Rothhaar dated 8/4/91, he states: "Died26 April, 1674 in Winzeln, 70 years old, Christina Knerr (Knoerr), themother of Theodor Knerr". This could mean that Theodor's father also migrated to Winzeln, but it is possible that she only joined Theodor after the death of her husband back in Switzerland. If her age was recorded correctly, and thiswas not always the case, she would only have been eleven years old when she had Theodor. Ages in the death records often prove to be merelyestimates, so she was probably closer to 80. Theodor himself was listedas age 70 in his death record, when, in all probability, he was 73. We know for a fact that there were Knoerr families at Annweiler asearly as 1597 when Anna Knoerr married Lorentz Hausen there. There wasalso an Elias Knoerr who married Margaretha Weimtz at nearby Landau in1603 and a Leonhard Knoehr who married Sabina Boegner at Seinsheim in1612. We have no idea whether any of these people were relatives or not. naissance: Theodor Knoerr apparently left Switzerland and came to Germany c. 1648. That date marked the conclusion of the Thirty Years War in which it has been estimated that two-thirds of the male popula- tion of Germany died. Good land was suddenly available for the younger sons of landed families who would never have the opportunity to get it because of the medieval custom of primogeniture which was in force at that time. Theodor spent a short time in Kandel before deciding to settle permanently in the village of Winzeln (1657), located near the city of Pirmasens in the Palatinate region. He appears to have had two wives, each of whom bore him children. The second wife was named Agnes, but we do not know her maiden name. The name of the first wife escapes us entirely. The date of Theodor's death as well as much of the information we have about him and his descendants comes from the Pirmasens Sippenbuch which has been painstakingly compiled by Herr Walter Wittmer. The death date itself seems strange because three of his sons are listed as being married on that very same day. In religion, Theodor was listed as Reformiet. We do not know what his occupation happened to be. We believe that he was related to the other Knoerr family which lived at Kandel, but we have no proof of this relationship. Furthermore, we are not positive that we have a complete list of Theodor's children. We have a feeling that he had more daughters than we have found listed. We also would like to know if the Johann Leonhard Knoerr who was married at Pirmasens in 1643 is Theodor's brother. John R. Knarr, while at the Solothurn Archives, found the following: Durs Knoerr baptised Feb 5, 1615; parents Hans Knoerr and Christina Stuber. Source: Oberwil Taufen, II, 1613-1661. Durs is a shortened form of Theodorus as Hans is a shortened version of Johannes. John says, "This might be your ancestor Theodor. One does not actually find the name ofTheodor in any of the Swiss records I examined for the 1500s and 1600s. On the other hand, Durs/Urs is a very popular name, along with Hans and Benedict, especially for KNOERR families. Besides Dursborn in 1615, Hans Knoerr and Christina Stuber had other children: Anna bap Feb 23, 1612; Benedict bap Feb. 20, 1620." In a letter from Herr Adolf Rothhaar dated 8/4/91, he states: "Died 26 April, 1674 in Winzeln, 70 years old, Christina Knerr (Knoerr), the mother of Theodor Knerr". This could mean that Theodor's father also migrated to Winzeln, but it is possible that she only joined Theodor after the death of her husband back in Switzerland. If her age was recorded correctly, and this was not always the case, she would only have been eleven years old when she had Theodor. Ages in the death records often prove to be merely estimates, so she was probably closer to 80. Theodor himself was listed as age 70 in his death record, when, in all probability, he was73. We know for a fact that there were Knoerr families at Annweiler as early as 1597 when Anna Knoerr married Lorentz Hausen there. There was also an Elias Knoerr who married Margaretha Weimtz at nearby Landau in 1603 and a Leonhard Knoehr who married Sabina Boegner at Seinsheim in 1612. We have no idea whether any of these people were relatives or not.
Michael
Hübner
