Beatrice de CORMEILLES

NOTE: Her parentage from CP is questioned and Gordon Kirkemo has comeupwith the suggesiton that she might be the dau. of Robertcamerarius, chamberlain to the earl of Richmond and that shethen m. Richard de Cormeilc.genealogy.medievalSubject: Re: Apparent CP/DD Conflict (de Lisle)Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 00:01:43 +0100Gordon Kirkemo wrote:...> Now, in CP Vol. VIII, Sub Lisle, there is a chart showing thedescent of> Lisle of Rougemont and Lisle of Kingston Lisle. The secondRobert deInsula> is shown with a wife named Beatrice de Cormeilles, whoaccording to the> chart is the daughter of Ralph, sewer to the Earl of Richmond.This isalso>reported on page 69 in the text for Lisle of Rougemont.>> In DD (page 200), I find Robert Camerarius, Chamberlain toearl Conan of> Richmond, and son and successor to Odo Camerarius. He isdescribed as> having three sons and four daughters. The daughters were hiseventual> heirs, andone of them is identified as Beatrice, wife of (1)Richard de> Cormeilles and (2) of Robert de Lisle. I also find a RadulfCamerarius> identified as chamberlain to Earl Conan with no additionalinformation> concerning parentage or children....I can't resolve the conflict (though CP does have a definitecitation that'smeant to show that the Robert de Lisleof c. 1207 was a grandsonof Ralphthe sewer, and DD gives enough references that the evidence maybecomeclearer).I do think the chronology of the DD version is very strange.Combining theentry for Robert Camerarius on p. 200 with that for Ricardus deCormeilleson pp. 410, 411, it seems we have (with other siblings,omitted):1. Odo, Domesday tenant 10862. Hisson Robert, succeeded by 1129/303. His daughter Beatrice, married first to Richard de Cormeilles(active by1134, d. either 1175/6 [p. 411] or1177 [p. 200]), thenremarried to Robertde Lisle and (if CP is to be believed) bearing him a child.I don't know which bit is likely to be wrong, but I find it verydifficultto believe.> It seems possible> that Camerarius and Cormeilles might both be derivatives ofChamberlain,but> thatis only a wild guess on my part.Camerarius is certainly latin for Chamberlain, but Cormeilles isa placename (Eure, arrondissement Point-Audemer, according to DP 155).Chris Phillips__________________________________________________________

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