Juliana DE VESCY

NOTE: She is said in various editions of Burke's volumes (eg. ColonialGentry, p, 197) to be of the Vescy family, the daughter of Wm.and Agnesde Vescy, and to have brought to the marriage theestate of Harlaston.However there is evidence that Harlaston was already in theVernon familyso this evidence looks like failing. Work to bedone...The importance of this is that it is said by most that there areno descendants today ofthe Eustace Vesci who was the MagnaCarta Surety.Brice Clagett wrote on s.g.m on 21 Sep2004:I bought the 8th edition of Ancestral Roots, published recently.Iwouldnot recommend it to others. There is very little in it that isnew, andthe opportunity to clean up earlier editions has largely been lost;there areinnumerable typos, and it perpetuates many errors in prioreditions thathave long been demolished, such as the Corbet-Malory marriage.Like prioreditions, this one is particularly egregious on the Haringtons.As oneexample, it makes Isabel Harington, wife of Sir John Stanley,adaughterof the 2d Lord Harington. The 7th edition said she was daughterof the 3dLord Harington. Both are equally clueless. I thought every oneknew bynow that Isabel was daughter of Sir Nicholas Harington ofFarleton.The editors of the 8th edition would have been spared many oftheirmistakes if they had had the good sense to participate in thisforum, asDouglasRichardson did.There is at least one bogus line that appears in the 8th editionfor thefirst time in this series. This is the supposed descent of theVernons ofHaddon from Sir Richard de Vernon and "Juliana deVescy,"daughter of William de Vescy and Agnes, daughter of William de Ferrers, 5thEarl ofDerby. The only citation is to Burke's Peerage (1953)p. 2134. Thissupposeddescent has been commented on once or twice in this forum withconsiderable skepticism. In fact it is easy to show that theVernons ofHaddon, and their innumerable descendants, did not spring fromsuch amarriage. In 1315 Gilbert de Aton was found to be the heirgeneral ofWilliam de Vescy, 1st Lord Vescy (d. 1297), by descent fromWarindeVescy, uncle of the William de Vescy who married Agnes deFerrers. CP12:2:285 n.(b). Thus the descendants of William who married Ferrers, and indeedof hisfather, Eustace de Vescy, were extinct by 1315.__

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