Tristram HULL

Time Line Sources 27 Collaborate 48 Memories 12 Sources Detail View Add Source Options Date Title Created By View • Edit • Detach • Report Abuse • Tag 0 url https://archive.org/stream/hullfamilyinamer00weyg#page/481/mode/2up Citation Weygant, Charles H. "The Hull Family in America" (1913): p 243-249. Section of the book devoted to the Joseph Hull line, p 243-459. SEE ALSO Genealogist's corrections: https://www.hullfamilyassociation.org/genealogist_errors_joseph.shtml Notes Document reads on p. 245: Rev. Joseph Hull, 1595-1665, colonist, and founder of what in later years became known as the Mariner-Quaker branch of the Hull family in America, was the son of Thomas and Joane Peson Hull, of Crewkerne, Somersetshire, England. Document reads on p. 246: This so long sought Shipping List contains 104 names and is headed by the name of our Rev. Joseph, with the names of his family as follows: Waymouth ye 20th March 1635 1. Joseph Hull, of Somerset, a minister, aged 40 years. 2. Agnes Hull, his wife, aged 25 years. 3. Joane Hull, his daughter, aged 15 years. 4. Joseph Hull, his sonne, aged 13 years. 5. Tristram Hull, his sonne, aged 11 years. 6. Temperance Hull, his daughter, aged 9 years. 7. Elizabeth Hull, his daughter, aged 7 years. 8. Grissell Hull, his daughter, aged 5 years. 9. Dorothy Hull, his daughter, aged 3 years. 10. Judith French, his servant, aged 20 years. 11. John Wood, his servant, aged 20 years. 12. Robert Dobyn, his servant, aged 28 years. Document reads on p. 247: It is stated in Narragansett Historical Register, Vol. I., page 145, that the first wife of Rev. Joseph Hull was named Joanna and that she died in England, but no positive dates are given. Neither have any records been discovered giving the date of his marriage to his second wife Agnes. It is evident that his wife Joanna died shortly after giving birth to her daughter Dorothy in 1632, and that he was married to his second wife Agnes previous to the year 1635. Document reads on p. 249: Children [of Joseph Hull]. 2. Joanna Hull, b. 1620; d. after 1683; m. (1st) 1639, Capt. J. Bursley, (2nd) Dolor Davis. 3. Joseph Hull, b. 1622; m. ____ 4. Tristram Hull, b. 1624; d. Feb. 22, 1667; m. 1643, Blanche _____ 5. Temperance Hull, b. 1626 6. Elizabeth Hull, b. 1628; d. Nov. 30, 1706; m. 1643, Capt. John Heard. 7. Griselda Hull, b. 1630; m. James Warren. 8. Dorothy Hull, b. 1632. 9. Hopewell Hull, b. about 1636; d. 1693; m. 1669, Mary Martin. 10. Benjamin Hull, bap. Mar. 24, 1639; d. 1713; m. 1668, Rachel York. 11. Naomi Hull, bap. Mar. 23, 1640. 12. Ruth Hull, bap. May 9, 1642. 13. Reuben Hull, b. about 1644; d. Dec. 3, 1689; m. Hannah Fernside. 14. Sarah Hull, d. 1647. 15. Samuel Hull, m. (1st) 1677, Mary Manning, (2nd) Margaret____ Less Source Modified • See All Changes April 27, 2021 by JillLPiggott Reason This Source Is Attached • Edit Tristram is named as a son of Joseph Hull. View • Edit • Detach • Report Abuse • Tag 0 url https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Unknown-253829 Citation Mother's Great Migration entry: Unknown Unknown Wife of Joseph Hull - married before 1620 [location unknown] Mother of Joanna (Hull) Davis, Joseph Hull Jr, Tristram Hull, Temperance (Hull) Bickford, Elizabeth (Hull) Heard, Griselda Hull and Dorothy Hull Died before 1633 in England Notes I. NOT JOANNA COFFIN. Genealogist Phyllis Hughes wrote "The Myth of Joanna Coffin." She was able to trace the theory to an early 20th-century book about the family, where the writer speculates that Hull's unnamed 1st wife might be Joanna Coffin because 1) her oldest child was named Joanna and 2) a Coffin family lived near the Hulls. Hughes searched English parish records and found the daughter of Peter Coffin, Joanna, was baptized 29 Dec 1616 in Brixton, Devon, England. "Immediately, I saw that the date of her baptism would not support the conclusion that she had married the Rev. Joseph Hull for she was much too young." Joanna Coffin was likely only 3 years old when Hull married for the first time (all references below & in "sources"). II. NOT JOANNA COFFIN, take 2. In her article on "Common Errors in the Joseph Hull Line," Phyllis Hughes writes, "Rev. Joseph Hull did not marry Joanna Coffin, as his first wife. There is also no proven evidence that Rev. Joseph even married a Joanna. It is well documented that the given name of his second wife was Agnes, but her surname is unknown; there is absolutely no evidence that she was Agnes Coffin." III. NOT JOANNA COFFIN, take 3. Geni.com LOCKED Hull's entry to prevent the addition of Joanna Coffin as his wife. Their curator explains: "Rev. Joseph Hull was not married to Joanna Coffin! ... You still see the name in various published genealogies, because other researchers copied Monnette [whose speculation set the myth in motion], and still others copied them." IV. NOT JOANNA COFFIN, take 4. "The Great Migration Project, on review of documents related to Joseph, declares that the only evidence that Joseph even had a first wife is the age of his wife Agnes in 1635 (25) and the fact that she was still bearing children in 1652. There is no evidence that she was named Joan, and no evidence that she was Joane Coffin, as often listed." V. NOT JOANNA COFFIN, take 5. "The Reverend Joseph Hull (1595-1665) was born in England, the son of Thomas Hull and his wife Joanna (Peson) Hull, who were married in Crewkerne Parish on 11 January 1572/3. There, circa 1618, he married his unknown first wife" (Joseph Hull, Find-a-Grave). All told, the evidence is clearly a nail in the Coffin. Then there's this: VI. NOT 1 WIFE, AGNES JOANNA COFFIN. It took hours to reconstruct the Hull entries after a user literally "created a new person"--Agnes Joanna Coffin--and replaced BOTH of Hull's wives with that single, invented entry, blowing up 18 entries (Hull himself and 17 children) with NO source attached. The reason NO source was attached, of course, is that multiple primary sources document Hull's 2 wives. There's a parish record for his marriage to Agnes on 13 March 1633, for example, and she's called his second wife on the 1635 passenger list: 1 Joseph Hull of Somerset, minister, aged 40 years. 2 Agnes Hull, his wife, aged 25 years. Second wife of Mr. Hull 3 Joane Hull, his daughter, aged 15 years (c 1620) 4 Joseph Hull, his son, aged 13 years (c 1622) 5 Tristram, his son, aged 11 years (c 1624) 6 Elizabeth, his daughter, aged 7 years (c 1626) 7 Temperance, his daughter, aged 9 years (c 1628) 8 Gressell, his daughter, aged 5 years (c 1630) 9 Dorothy, his daughter, aged 3 years (c 1632) Then there's math. Agnes's last child was born in 1650, when she was about 40. Hull's first child was born in 1620, when Agnes was 10. Doesn't make sense. What's especially frustrating about the endless corruption of the Hull entries is that we don't have to INVENT things about the family. Yes, we're missing one full name and one surname, but we know a LOT about a family with a father born in the 16th century. VI. WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT HULL'S FIRST WIFE We know with certainty the thing that was likely most important to Hull's first wife: the names of each of her children. Hull's first wife was likely born in his home town of Crewkerne. "The Great Migration" estimates her birth year as about 1600. Hull left Crewkerne in 1612 to study at Oxford. He spent 2 years at St. Mary's before earning his bachelor's degree, then continued to study and teach theology informally while serving as his older brother William's curate at Colyton. Hull and his first wife married in 1618, but he didn't "get a real job" until the couple's first child was expected or born. On 14 Apr 1621, Hull was named Rector of Northleigh, Diocese of Exeter, Devonshire Hull had nearly a decade to prepare for full-time ministry, but his young wife likely had no preparation for the unwritten and unpaid roles that pastors' wives are expected to play even now. In addition to her work as the Northleigh rector's wife, she had 6 children, each 2 years apart in age. Remarkably, St. Giles in Northleigh would be recognizable to her today, both inside and out. See images in Memories. Hull's first recorded run-in with church authorities dates to 1629, but he remained as rector until 1631, when he resigned. The family moved to Crewkerne, where Hull and likely his wife had been born, with Joanna, 11, Joseph, 9, Tristram, 7, Temperance, 5, Elizabeth, 3, and Griselda, 1. It was to be a time of terrible loss and dislocation for the children, who'd only known Northleigh as home. Their mother died during or shortly after the birth of Dorothy in 1632. Given their ages, it's likely that 3 of the young mother's 7 children had no memories of her. Hull was 37 at the time; his wife might have been only 32. In March 1633, the month Elizabeth turned 7, Hull married Agnes, 15 years his junior. When he lost his job on 17 February 1635 and was expelled from the church, he quickly gathered a group of 106 men, women, and children, and on 26 March, they set sail for Massachusetts just 15 years after the Mayflower carried the first Pilgrims. Among those who arrived in the Massachusetts Bay Colony 10 weeks later were his first wife's children, from Dorothy at 3 to Joanna at 15. First Wife Hull had more than 50 grandchildren. Her longest-lived child, Elizabeth, died not simply in a "new" world, but six years into a new century. All of Joseph's children from his first marriage raised their children in the colonies. Hull's first wife's name has been lost, but she helped people this place so many of her descendants call home. I'm a retired professor. I'm writing about Hull. I've added more than a dozen primary and secondary sources about Joseph Hull to his entry and would be happy to answer any questions. I genuinely appreciate help in keeping this entry accurate. --Jill Piggott, PhD, Hull's 9th great-granddaughter _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Great Migration" entry for Hull's 1st wife: Unknown Unknown m Joseph Hull before 1620. Mother of Joanna (Hull) Davis, Joseph Hull Jr, Tristram Hull, Temperance (Hull) Bickford, Elizabeth (Hull) Heard, Griselda Hull and Dorothy Hull. Died before 1633 in England. FIRST MARRIAGE: Wife’s name unknown. All 7 children were born in England and died in New England. 1. Joanna, b about 1620; m1 Bursley, m2 Davis 2. Joseph, b about 1622 3. Tristram, b about 1624; m Blanche 4. Temperance, b 20 March 1626, Northleigh; m Bickford 5. Elizabeth, b about 1628; m Heard 6. Griselda, b about 1630; no record after 1635 7. Dorothy, b c 1632; m1 Kent, m2 Mathews SECOND MARRIAGE: Wife Agnes, surname unknown 8. Hopewell, b about 1636; m Martin 9. Benjamin, b Mar 1639, Hingham; m York 10. Naomi (Amy), bapt 23 Mar 1640, Barnstable; m Daniel 11. Ruth, b May 1641, Barnstable; no further record* 12. Dodovah, b about 1643; m Seward 13. Samuel, b about 1645; m Manning; m2 Margaret 14. (??) Phineas, b about 1647; m1 Hitchcock, m2 Rishworth 15. Reuben b 23 Jan 1648/9; m Ferniside * 16. Ephraim b 13 Feb 1649/50, Cornwell * 17. Priscilla b 30 March 1651, Cornwall SOURCES Find-a-Grave entry for Joseph Hull (1st wife unknown) [www.findagrave.com/memorial/73100242/joseph-hull] Geni entry for Joseph Hull. [www.geni.com/people/Rev-Joseph-Hull/6000000002175438989] "Great Migration" entry for "Unknown Unknown" (Hull's 1st wife). [www.wikitree.com/wiki/Unknown-253829] Hughes, Phyllis J. “Common Errors on the Internet, ‘The Hull Family in America’ (pub 1913), and in Other Published Records.” [www.hullfamilyassociation.org/genealogist_errors_joseph.shtml] Hughes, Phyllis J. "The Myth of Joanna Coffin, Given as First Wife of the Rev. Joseph Hull, 1635 Immigrant." Hull Family Association Journal, vol 12, no. 1 (spring 2001): p 23. Extended excerpt in First Wife Hull's sources (G41Z-P5J). [www.hullfamilyassociation.org/back_issues_recent.shtml] -- Hull Colony Passenger List (1635). Used at a primary source for teaching American History. [https://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/passengers-bound-for-new-england/] -- "Hull Family in America." Charles Weygant. 1913. Section on Hull begins p 245. [https://archive.org/stream/hullfamilyinamer00weyg#page/481/mode/2up] -- Hull, Amy Eleanor. “Joseph Hull and Some of His Descendants.” 1904. See pages 7+ for full passenger list of the “Marygould” that transported the “Hull Colony” to New England in 1635. [https://archive.org/details/revjosephhullsom00hull] -- Rectors of St. Giles Church, Northleigh. [www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/Northleigh/Rectors] -- We Relate entry for Joseph Hull and Unknown 1st wife. [www.werelate.org/wiki/Family:Joseph_Hull_and_Unknown_%281%29] Les

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