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The ancestry of John Musgrave is not proven, also it is not clearwhether his birth was indeed in Penrith. More probable is an origin inIreland since the ship Antelope, he migrated to Pennsylvania with, wasoriginating from Belfast in Northern Ireland. In 1718 the taxables were but nine in number,- William Grimson, JamesHamer, Thomas Hayward, John Musgrave, William Smith, Moses Musgrave,William Marsh, John Whitesides, and John Moor. For several years afterthis Sadsbury and Fallowfield formed one assessment district. The first township officer mentioned was William Mash (Marsh), whoappeared at court Nov. 26, 1717, and was succeeded, 1718, by William Grimson; 1719, by Moses Musgrove; 1720, by William Smith; 1721, by Robert Stanford; 1722, by John Musgrave; 1723, by Gainer Peirce; 1724, by David Hastings; 1725, by Simeon Woodrow; 1726, by John Bowles; 1727, by George Leonard; 1728, by James Swaffer (E.S.) and John Guy (W.S.); 1729, by Amos Williams (E.S.) and John Matthews (W.S.); 1730, John Minshall. Mary Powells parents: Thomas Powell. & Elizabeth Musgrave 1705-17701707-1788 g-parents John Powell & Elizabeth Taylor 1678-1734 1672-1741 John Musgrave & Mary Hastings 1667-1746 b. 1666 gg- " William Taylor & Margaret........... b. 1640 b. 1645 Oswin Musgrave & Elizabeth.......... b. 1640 b. 1644- About 1682 [about one month before William Penn arrived], severalFriends with their families arrived and settled near each other on theeast side of Brandywine Creek Name: John MUSGRAVE Sex: M Birth: 1669 in ,Armogh,,Ireland Note:Born in Parish of Sego. Born about 1669, came from Belfast with his master, ValentineHollingsworth, in 1682, and served his time for four years in New Castle County (nowDelaware). Dr. McCracken discredited Antelope as Val. Hollingsworth's ship, butwe affirm it here. We think the good professor misunderstood the 1735 deposition of JohnMusgrave, indentured servant to Hollingsworth, when he said he(Musgrave) "lived for four years at New Castle; that he first saw Pennin 1682 at Robert Wade's house in the town now called Chester,Delaware, County in Pennsylvania." McCracken concluded thatHollingsworth & Musgrave had come on a ship which arrived in the NewWorld before either the Welcome or the Antelope. Valentine obtainedhis certificate from Lurgan Meeting on 5 mo. (July) 25, 1682, aboutthe same week that the Lows and Mickle obtained theirs. THIS IS A DIFFERENT JOHN MUSGRAVE ??? We feel that Musgrave's phrase is ambiguous; that "first saw" iscolloquial jargon; that it should not be interpreted to specificallymean that Musgrave had just debarked and walked into Wade's publichouse to meet the Hon. Proprietor, or that he was there to receive theProprietor in the general welcome. Nor should we conclude that becauseWm. Penn was entertained at Wade's after his arrival (28 Oct 1682)over a month before Antelope arrived, and because Musgrave says he'first saw' Penn there, that he had to be there in late October. Pennsurely would have paid other visits to Robert Wade. Probably regularmeetings were held at his house. Consider Penn's fleet: The Elizabeth(or Isabella) Ann & Catherine was loading at London from lst to 31stJuly 1682. The Hopewell was also loading there in mid July 1682. TheLamb loaded at Liverpool 26 June 1682. The Bristol Factor loaded from26 July to 26 August 1682. The Welcome loaded in the Thames early inJuly 1682. The Jeffrey loaded 29 August 1682 in London but sailedafter 23 September 1682. The Antelope, as above. (If port books forBelfast ever existed, their present whereabouts are unknown; they seemnot to have been destroyed in the PROI fire, but if they were somehowtransferred to the Dublin Custom House (unlikely), DeValera'sdestruction of that edifice in 1921 would seal their doom.) Only the Antelope is left as the likely vessel of transportation forValentine Hollingsworth and his family. We at this time are stillwaiting for our order of microfilm containing the full deposition ofJohn Musgrave, which, it is rumored, stated that he came on theAntelope. (We'll know that when we read it!) Joseph Adger Stewart wisely statesthat Valentine came from Belfast and arrived "a few months afterWilliam Penn." He does not mention the Antelope, but clearly disavowsthe former myths that V.H. was on the Welcome. That's our case. http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~jayken/hollingsworth/hr/88240225.htm Note: Later moved to Sadsbury, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania and on 6 April1735, age 66, made a deposition in connection with boundary disputebetween Pennsylvania and Maryland (McFarlan and Stern Genealogy, pp.58-59). According to will written in 1745, his children were John, James, Thomas, Abraham, Esther (wife of John Griffith), Martha (wife of Benjamin Miller), Sarah (wife of Theophilus Owen), and two other daughters who married John Ferree and Thomas Powell. Above information from "Irish Quaker Arrivals in Pennsylvania" by Albert Cook Myers (F152.M982 1864). Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown Children John MUSGRAVE James MUSGRAVE Thomas MUSGRAVE Abraham MUSGRAVE Esther MUSGRAVE Martha MUSGRAVE Sarah MUSGRAVE MUSGRAVE MUSGRAVE From the Immigration of the Irish Quakers: Pennsylvania. Newark andKenneth Monthly meeting. John came with Valentine Hollingsworth, one of the leader of theQuakers, as an indentured servent. Valentine and family came fromCheshire, Ireland. John spent his 4 years with Hollingsworth then we have records of Johnand Moses together. By Joseph Mason and Debby Ann Palmer (From a deposition made by JohnMusgrave in connection with the boundary dispute between Pennsylvaniaand Maryland ) -- "On June 4, 1735, John Musgrave of Lancaster County,Pa., gentleman, aged about 66 years, being a Quaker, deposed that hecame from Belfast, Ireland with Valentine Hollingsworth in 1682 andlived with him for about four years on Brandywine Creek in New CastleCounty, Delaware" There are lots of articles on this John and family. I am not goinginto that line to much as Stanley Musgrave Shartle, 6575 Kings Court,Danville, In. 46122, has a lovely new Second Addition book out on thisline with lots of history from England and very good material on allMusgraves in General. He has taken lots from Percy Musgrave's of England's book and I havethat book. It is interesting. Stanley has very little on our Moses, soI will concentrate on that line. Marie Musgrave The first Quakers of England was started by George Fox in theWestmoreland area. The founder of Quakerism in Ireland was started byWilliam Edmundson (1627-1712). He was born at Little Musgrave,Westmoreland County, England. To America abt 1682 as indentured servant of Valentine Hollingsworthaboard the ship "LION" John Compton, (Crumpton?) master August 131682. First to New Castle County, Delaware to Chester CountyPennsylvania (now Lancaster, Pennsylvania) 1730 House of Representatives of Pennsylvania province of SadsburyMeeting House. Chronicles of Pennsylvania, p.40 Research Notes: "The first of the Irish Friends to settle in what is now LancasterCounty were John Musgrave and his son, Moses Musgrave, who as early as1713 had taken up land in the almost uninhabited region on OctoraroCreek within the present limits of Sadsbury Meeting, the fatherpurchasing 600 acres and the son 300 acres. John Musgrave, as we havestated before, came over from the North of Ireland in 1682, as anindented servant to VALENTINE HOLLINGSWORTH, and served his time withhis master in New Castle County. He was an active participant in thelocal affairs of his neighborhood, and in 1730 and 1731 representedLancaster County in the Provincial Assembly." (quoted from IMMIGRATIONOF THE IRISH QUAKERS INTO PENNSYLVANIA, Places of Settlement, p. 160,as accessed at the web site of Ancestry Hometown) John Musgrave signed a petition in May of 1729, for a division linesettling the boundaries of the county to be 'erected in the back partsof this Province toward Sasquehannah". He was also an assessor forChester Co in 1721-22, and received the princely sum of 4 shillings aday for his services! Thus, there was an adult John in the area, butno indication his exact relationship to Moses. In 1718 Moses and John Musgrave were both listed as 2 of the 9 taxable persons in Sadsbury....can you imagine? Only 9 households, and someonewas collecting taxes! The taxables were William Grimson, James Hamer, Thomas Hayward, JOHN MUSGRAVE, MOSES MUSGRAVE, Wm. Smith, William Marsh, John Whitesides,and John Moor. Lancaster Wills March 15, 1747 December 19, 1748 MOSSGRAVE, JOHN Sisters: Mary and Elizabeth. Bro.: Matthew. N.B. This will is not copied on records. Ex. Samuel Jackson. Leacock Twp. March 15, 1747 December 19, 1748 MUSGRAVE, JOHN Bro. and sisters: Martin, Mary and Elizabeth Musgrave. Ex. Samuel Jackson. Leacock Twp. A Case for The Antelope Madelyn Clark brought our attention once more to the 2 volume work TheWelcome Claimants, published by the Welcome Society. Vol. 2 was averitable tome, the product of the late George E. McCracken, whoprobably laid to rest most of the false claims of many passengers toAmerica, false claims made by their descendants, that they came with William Penn onhis flagship, The Welcome. Dr. McCracken enlisted our help withValentine Hollingsworth, and he used one of our manuscripts, as wellas other data (see pp. 250-253 and 608 of Vol 2 of said work), usingour "old name" of Henry Hollingsworth. But we never owned a copy andnow, perusal, mainly of Vol. One, the majority of which was the workof Marion R. Balderston, reprinted by permission from a HuntingtonLibrary publication of 1962, prompts this discussion. Therein is a virtually complete list of the ships which Penn's Quakersused to emigrate from the British Is1es to his new colony in 1681-83.The Antelope of Belfast, Edward Cooke, master, is the only vessel inthe list In 1682 which had any Irish connections, insofar as therecords show. Nearly all the ships loaded in English ports, and Marion Balderstonexamined these records (call or class series E 109/) at the PublicRecord Office, Chancery Lane, London. Port books do not listpassengers per se, but do list names of those who loaded taxable goodsaboard any outbound shipping. Again, and very sadly, the collectionof Port Books doesn't come down to the 19th century, as searched foryour editor recently by Mr. Frank Phillips of London. (My ancestors,John Scott and wife, Jane Bond, came with their offspring in thespring of 1699 on the Brittania, from Liverpool, a ship wracked with disease and tempests, but that is another story.) The Antelope is the only ship not treated in the British port books,because it sailed out of Belfast in the north of Ireland. We know that Ann Milcom or Malcolm came on this ship. Albert C. Myers"Quaker Arrivals at Philadelphia, 1682-1750 (1900)," a small bookRECENTLY STOLEN FROM OUR LIBRARY, but which I had luckily taken off afew pages in Xerox before that disaster, p. 6, shows that John andJoseph Low had taken certificates from the Ballyhagan Meeting, Parishof Kilmore, Co Armagh, Ireland, dated 5 mo.(July) 31, 1682, andArchibald "Michael" (Mickle) took one dated 6 mo. (Aug) 2, 1682, fromthe men's meeting at Richard Boyes' (Boyce?) House near Lisburn, Co. Antrim.Since Antelope arrived either 9th or 10th of 10th month (Dec) 1682, itis possible the above men were also aboard. Dr. McCracken discredited Antelope as Val. Hollingsworth's ship, butwe affirm it here. We think the good professor misunderstood the 1735deposition of John Musgrave, indentured servant to Hollingsworth, whenhe said he (Musgrave) "lived for four years at New Castle; that hefirst saw Penn in 1682 at Robert Wade's house in the town now calledChester in Pennsylvania." McCracken concluded that Hollingsworth &Musgrave had come on a ship which arrived in the New World before either the Welcome or the Antelope. Valentine obtained his certificatefrom Lurgan Meeting on 5 mo. (July) 25, 1682, about the same week thatthe Lows and Mickle obtained theirs. We feel that Musgrave's phrase is ambiguous; that "first saw" iscolloquial jargon; that it should not be interpreted to specificallymean that Musgrave had just debarked and walked into Wade's public house to meet the Hon. Proprietor, or that he was there to receive theProprietor in the general welcome. Nor should we conclude thatbecause Wm. Penn was entertained at Wade's after his arrival (28 Oct1682) over a month before Antelope arrived, and because Musgrave sayshe 'first saw' Penn there, that he had to be there in late October.Penn surely would have paid other visits to Robert Wade. Probablyregular meetings were held at his house. Consider Penn's fleet: The Elizabeth (or Isabella) Ann & Catherine wasloading at London from lst to 31st July 1682. The Hopewell was alsoloading there in mid July. The Lamb loaded at Liverpool 26 June. The Bristol Factor loaded from 26 July to 26 August. The Welcomeloaded in the Thames early in July. The Jeffrey loaded 29 August inLondon but sailed after 23 September 1682. The Antelope, as above. (Ifport books for Belfast ever existed, their present whereabouts areunknown; they seem not to have been destroyed in the PROI fire, but ifthey were somehow transferred to the Dublin Custom House (unlikely),DeValera's destruction of that edifice in 1921 would seal their doom.) From the above rundown, it is seen unlikely that ValentineHollingsworth could have left Ireland and gotten over to London tocatch any of those ships. Why should he do, if the Antelope was lyingat Belfast? Nor have we any information that any one of the above Londonships sailed up to Belfast on the way out. 0nly the Lamb, based atnearby Liverpool, could have stopped over at the Irish Port. But Lambhad loaded cargo on 26 June, a month before Valentine even obtainedhis removal certificate! It has been proved he was not on theWelcome. Only the Antelope is left as the likely vessel of transportation forValentine Hollingsworth and his family. We at this time are stillwaiting for our order of microfilm containing the full deposition of
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